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great colleague. i'm enormously proud to call him a friend. i am thrilled that he now leads the democratic race for the senate nomination. i'm glad for the country that we have such a fine american ready to take up the task of leadership. he is clean, he is strong and he has the vision to make a powerful difference for the progressives, and not just of massachusetts, but with the country. the state will have among the sharpest delegations in the entire senate. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "politics nation" with al sharpton starts right now. >> thanks, chris, and thanks to you for tuning in. we begin tonight with breaking news. late today, republicans launched a new attack on the obama administration. and on regular americans all across the country. senate republicans are vowing to
block richard cadre, president obama's pick to head the consumer financial protection bureau. that's the agency elizabeth warren set up to make sure big banks don't prey on regular americans. but, today, 43 republicans sent a letter saying they're worried the agency has too much power over the banks. and they won't allow the nomination to go ahe. this is outrageous. the right wing is doing everything it can to block this president. to stand against working class people. and to stand up for wall street. that i had' they're even willing to hurt the economy itself. it's that's what it takes to hurt the president, they're willing to do it. >> any immediate economic setback or the perception of one could weaken obama's clout. maybe a sour economy is worth it if it will distract obama. >> there's a lot of talk these days about how the gop can come
back politically. the quickest possible way politically with a contracting economy, if it happened again in the next quarter, that's a recession. >> shrinking the economy is a gop plan for a quick comeback? a sowerer economy is worth it if it distracts obama? folks, they really mean this. but despite it all. , the economy is improving under this president. we now have 35 straight months of private sector job growth. we've also learned today the economy added over 2 million jobs last year. the best year for the jobs since 2005. republicans are playing politics with people's lives. they're obsessed with cuts instead of jobs. they're focused on spending instead of hiring. the president kept his job because the american people trust him to create jobs for them. republicans just don't get it.
joining me now is melissa harris perry and dana millbank. republicans say this consumer bureau could hurt wall street. but, today, the dow closed over 14,000 for the first time in six years. so what's this really all about? >> well, look, this is the mind trick. this is the game of redirection that the republicans have been playing really for the first four years of president obama's first term and they're continuing to play it. and it is this. the thing that caused the economic crash in 2008, the home values, the evaporation of wealth, the loss of jobs were the decisions made by those one percenters on wall street. and what happened is they redirected, they changed the conversation so that suddenly we'd be worried about the deficit instead of worried about wall street. this consumer financial bureau, the protection bureau, set up under elizabeth warpen, this
focus on regulating banks the reality that we had been raided by wall street, that all of that got turned around so that instead, it somehow became a govpt deficit problem when it was never that. >> and it was that deregulation that caused us to have a problem. and dana, if we go back, because a lot of people forget where we came from and how we were able to overcome some insurmountable odds to get where we are today even though we have a long way to go. if you go back to when president obama came into aufsz office, 2009, on the eve of february 2009 jobs report, which turned out to be the worst in 34 years, the president called for action on the stimulus package. let me show you what the president said. >> the time for talk is over. the time for action is now. because we know that if we do
not act, a bad situation will become dramatically worse. and i refuse to let that happen. we can't delay and we can't go back to the same, worn out ideas that let d us here in the first place. >> that was at the very beginning of his first term. he says we can't go back to the same ideas which was deregulation which was tax cuts for the top, all of that. then they want, again, change the language as melissa says, we went from talking about stimulus to deficit. and like we could cut our way out of debt. and when you look at the comparison between private sector job growth under president obama and under george w. bush, more than 650,000 private sector jobs were lost you should bush while so far more than 470,000 private sector jobs had been added under president obama.
so when you look at where we started, look at the comparison they're really trying to play with our minds. >> there's a terrific irony going on here. each month you have the republicans saying a ha, the job growth isn't as high as it should be. or saying a ha, the economy isn't growing at the pace that it should be. well, why isn't it? that's because the republicans succeeded in getting the government to cut back its spending. so the reason the jobs growth has not been higher is because just as private sector job growth is increasing, government jobs are decreasing dramatically. so that's held back. why did the economy contract in the fourth quarter? well, consumer spending, con instructor spending, all of that is fine. so now they're saying, look, obama is failing because of the contraction their policies that we forced h imto put into place. >> and these are actual numbers, melissa, 9,000 government jobs
were lost in january. 74,000 government jobs lost in 2012 alone. 600,000 government jobs lost since february, 2010. these are government jobs. >> right. and two things. remember, a lot of these are jobs that are happening at the state level. these are governors and local administrators, even mayors, who are cutting their city and state budgets. what we know is in 2010, we had a huge overtake of these gubernatorial positions by republicans who are primary republicans who are cutting these government jobs, often jobs that provided an opportunity to lift into the middle class, so many working class people, especially people of color. >> this is one of the reasons why the black unemployment numbers have not gone because we are over-indexed in the public sector. that the state and local republicans are cutting those programs, those agencies and those jobs. >> and, remember --
>> and blaming it on obama. >> and we're over-represented there because it is the one place where the laws of antidiscrimination have been most clearly taken care of. it has been hard to get the pry vat sector to focus affirmatively on furthering the possibility of diverse work force. but government had been able to do its at the sate level. so cutting jobs, cutting a disproportionate share of the minority jobs and then blaming president obama for doing it and then saying oh, this is all worse under president obama while having no reflection on the federal system. >> what's worlst is the ability to read what's going on. if you don't fight the public sector, you can't handle those of us that have a disproportionate amount in there. when you deal with the politics that we're looking at coming, the sequester, listen to what paul ryan said on "meet the press". >> i think the sequester is going to happen because that
$1.2 trillion in spending cuts, we can't lose those spending cults. we think these sequesters will happen because the democrats have opposed our efforts to replace those with others. sq . >> but the same paul riyan that said -- let me show you what he himself a couple of months ago. he said he wanted to make sure the devastating cuts to defense would never occur. and he warned that nearly 44,000 jobs were at stake. now he's singing a different tune. >> it's almost like a hostage situation here. they're saying you've got to do it our way or we'll torpedo the economy and you, the president and your party, will be blamed for that. that is something like what had happened over the last couple years. the problem now is that the president just won the election. there's a long time for the economy to recover even if they
succeed in injekting more contraction their effects spoo the economy by taking yet more government spending out of it. it's a very dangerous theory and it's not a long term growth prospect for the republican party to say we'll gain in popularity. >> and melissa, quickly, this obsession with spending cuts, everything that answers cut. what about having a good afternoon? >> cut. >> what about where we're going this evening? cut. look at the cut of session of republicans. >> we have worked all year to reduce our budget deficit and to cut spending. >> we have reduced the size and role of government. we've got to cut spending. >> we'll continue to work on finding smarter ways to cut spending. >> spend less. >> when we know. when we know in terms of very clear, empirical evidence that
austerity measures makes things worse. they will tell you as we saw governor romney do. corporations are people, my friend. and say governments don't create jobs. governments not only create them, but if we had allowed government spending to stay and to stimulate it, we would be in a position where we would have a much lower unemployment rate. >> much lower and much more money out there consumers, people be spending money because they'd have it. and it would go back in the system. dana, melissa, thanks for your time. and be sure to watch melissa harris perry saturdays and sundays 10:00 a.m. here on 34rks snbc. >> coming up, what a day in politics. scott brown is not running and now geraldo rivera may be geraldo? plus, george bush's brain is
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today, a lot of people were talking about scott brown's decision not to run for senate again. bet says living in massachusetts, i'm thrilled not to have to listen to brown again. donna says now i can truly celebrate john kerry's confirmation as secretary of state. jennifer says smart move. brown couldn't afford another loss. coming up next, we'll talk what brown's -- scott brown's decision means ffr democrats. but, first, we want to hear what you think. please head over to facebook and search "politics nation." like us to keep joining the conversation long after the show ends. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock.
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there will be a comeback in massachusetts for scott brown for now. he's announced he's not running for john kerry's senate seat. no, mad scrambling. so he's not running. but you won't believe who is. remember this? >> i'm not a witch. i'm nothing you've heard. i'm you. >> no, she's definitely wasn't you christine "i'm not a witch" o continue. she's not running in massachusetts, either. her candidacy became a joke, an embarrassment for the republicans. but two years later, it seems republicans haven't learned a thing. in georgia, paul brown appears to be running for senate. he's a guy who thinks president obama only opposed the soviet constitution.
over in iowa, steve king isn't ruling out a run. he's currently pushing a bill to stop what he calls anchor babies. but what can i say about this next possible candidate for new jersey? >> there can be a new vitalization of the republican party concept where we extolled the vir which yous of the good business and fiscal policy. >> i'll be here every friday until such time as it's no longer legal. >> geraldo rivera leading the gop comeback? i don't think so. joining me now is e.j. e.j., thavnnks for coming on tonight. >> good to be with you, reverend. >> first, what do you make of scott brown's decision? >> i think it's a good decision for him. and i think democrats are very gleeful.
if they dance jigs, i think harry reid is dancing one. he was the one candidate who could win that seat. he was running even or slightly ahead of markey. and while i think he was not as strong as he was going to be, he was when he first won. if the mood got a little bit bad on president obama, he could have won it again. he's smart to be running for governor. a, he would have had to run over and over again. and d, republicans do much better. the last republican win was senator ed brook way back in 1972. so i think it's good for democrats and probably good for scott brown. >> now the republicans felt they had a shot with brown. and i remember when they were killing susan rice unfairly in my opinion. the thought was they really were after susan rice because they
wanted john kerry and so that kerry could -- the seat would go to scott brown or republican. now brown is out, they don't have a clear shot at the seat. this has to help president obama. scott brown not running is a big win for the president if the republicans can't come up with a comparable candidate. >> no, i think that's right. i don't think they'll ever take a seat for granted in massachusetts again after 2009 and 20 10, rather. but i do think it's a win for democrats. i don't know whether he's announced anything is former governor bill weld who just moved back up there and can run as a kind of independent republican. he's pretty up predictable. if he doesn't run, i think it's going to be hard for them to come up with smnl to take that seat. but, you know, scott brown came out of nowhere, so be ware.
>> it was interesting. he released a statement that i think put the president in ra good light. scott brown said in his statement about his bipartisan tenure. >> not bad for brown. not bad for the president. >> i think that absolutely means he's running for governor. we know that the formula is if you want to run for governor of a very blue state, you say nice things about president obama. and the best example of that is chris christie, whose popularity has soared ever since he started working with president obama after hurricane sandy.
>> but notwithstanding that, they keep not running these far right extremist candidates. washington post reports the names are now famous, actually infamous, i should say. >> caution is the word among the republicans smarts said twice bitten, thrice shy or something like that. >> if you look around, they may be bitten a third time. you mentioned paul broun and steven king. i think the plob republicans have is you can't control your
primary electorate from above. and because so many moderates have lecht the republican party, they have a hard time nominating more moderate kind of conserve tiffs who can actually win the election. and even though they've got a decent shot at taking the senate in 2014, if they get another couple kand dats like they got this time and the time before, it's going to be very hard for them to turn a good chance into victories. >> it's definitely going to be hard. thank you, e.j.dionne. >> ahead, carl rove wrong again. and president obama is getting the lastz laugh. we'll explanl. push >> and the president's charging ahead with a second term agenda and a super sales pitch is coming. all stations come over to mission a for a final go.
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15 years ago, hillary clinton was widely mocked for calling out what she called the vast right wing conspiracy. that was trying at that time to take her husband down. >> the great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is this vast right wing conspiracy that has been conspireing against my husband since the day he announced for president.
>> as we learned, she was right on target. it's only gotten worse under president obama. and, today, mrs. clinton said good-bye to the state department. she'll be remembered for many things, for being a powerful leader, a force in the democratic party and this. her nonstop fight against the right wing's vicious attack. that story is coming up. this vacation... has been a year in the planning. and here you are.. standing... nay... staring down your dreams. the rest of your holiday hinges on the moment you walk through that door. the door opens.. ...you hold your breath... and then you realize... you got it right! you got it booking right. because it doesn't get any better than this. it doesn't get any booking better than this.
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talked act his ultimate goal. >> you have said that your ultimate goal is a permanent republican majority. what does that mean? >> there are no permanent majorities in politics. they last in 20, 30, 40 or in the case of the roosevelt coalition, 50 or 60 years, but then they disappear. but would i like to see the republican party be the dominant party for whatever time history gives it a chance to be? you get. >> guess who appeared on the same show. a senator-elect named barack obama. and that day, he talked about a new vision for the democratic party, a vision we heard last week at the inauguration. >> we are true to our creed when the little girl born into the bleakest poverty knows she has the same chance to succeed as anybody else. we, the people, declare
today that the most evident of truths, that all of us are created equal, is the star that guides us still just as it guided our fore bearers through seneca falls and selma and stonewall. >> carl rove was wrong. president obama was right. the country is changing. republicans better change with it. joining me now is bob schrum who wrote an article today with the headline "obama realigns the gop declines. and also with me, marie ra theresa. thank you both for joining me. >> bob, in your article today, you wrote "president obama is a transformative figure in a transforming country." you go onto call the gop's 2012 campaign "too white, too old, too rural, too southern." so how has president obama realigned the political interests of the country? >> partly, there have been
independent forces out there like changing demographics. but he's recognized that and he ease's appeal to it. and if you look at the cascade of polling, people look at the big philosophical questions. dealing with income. the role of government. economic fairness. equality for women and minorities, incliesiveness and immigration reform. people are ready to go on that march from seneca falls to selma to stone wall and beyond. and you have a republican party, many strategists recognize the political party that they're in. but maria, i don't think that rove and the republicans understand there's been a huge change in this country. there is a new country, the
country has fundamentally changed. yet, rove says republicans don't need to worry. wrote in the wall street journal, mr. obama hasn't fundamentally changed obama's political sfraukture. he goes onto declare that "republicans just have a perception problem with hispanics. a perception problem? does he understand the amount of change that we've seen happen in this country? and how people are not just talking about perception? but reality and the realities have changed? >> well, i think carl rove of 2012 needs to have a conversation with carl rove of 2004 when he realized in 2004, carl rove nuf that he needed the hispanic vote. and he recognized he didn't need every single catholic and he didn't need every single person of color. he just needed a percentage off the top in order to move the republican agenda forward. since then, the republican party has gone off the deep enld.
and they're also losing, as a result of caterering to the tea party so quickly. they're also actually losing a lot of moderate republicans. not only is the country more diverse, its's younger and it has a lot of single women and it has asians running and african americans and latinos. it's a whole demographic change. how do we see ourselves moving forward as a country? and, again, what rove understands but i think he's having a hard time letting go of the possibility of where the republican party was in 2004 is that nef to realign themselves and be inclusive not just in rhetoric, but actually in commitment to changing legislation as well. >> when you look at how they have ranted against minorities, how do they expect to have
appeal? look at rapport. in 2011, railing against minorities. look at this. >> i hear you loud and clear, barack obama. you don't represent the country that i grew up. with your sovalues is not goingo save us. we're going to try to take this country back to the lord. we're going to try to take this country back to conservativism. and we err n're not going to al minorities to run rough shot over what you believe in. >> so elected republican state senator in arkansas. how do you draw minorities when you have these kind of elected republicans. >> you don't. the country that that guy grew up with is gone just like segregation is gone. we have a different country. we're become a majority non-white country. i welcome that diversity. it's going to make us a stronger america. but, you know, the republicans
just think -- they wish he would shut up so that people like bobby jindal could get up and say we've got to stop being the stupid party. but jindal won't tell you what dumb ideas that want to jet jed sent. >> let me show you something, maria. when you look a the changing demographi demographics, i want to show you two maps. the first map is one we all recognize. it shows the center of the country is solidly red. but when that map is weighted for population, it's very obvious that the country is going blue. and i any that that i're looking at the non-populated map and thinking about the way we were rather than the way we are.
>> i think that the best example is the tea party gains traction. the fact that in 2012, the majority of the new america came out and re-elected president barack obama and wasn't an accident and basically said we've moving forward. the one state that wuntd asn't that map is texas. 2.4 million that are under the age of 40. so when you start looking at how do you actually change the map, you focus your energy and your researches on texas because they're increasingly young and increasingly latino and african american. >> ahead, hillary clinton leaves the state department hitting the right wing for not living in an evidence-based worlt. and i have some thoughts to talk
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and i hope that you will continue to make yourselves, make me and make our country proud. >> for more than two decades, she's been a real threat to the right wing. and they've attacked her relentlessly. but long ago, she called them out. >> the great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is this vast right wing conspiracy that has been conspireing against my husband since the day he announced for president. >> the vast right wing conspiracy. she was mocked. burr over the years, she's been proven right. they were nasty and hateful. and they kept oncoming. but hillary clinton stood strong through it all. today, we admire not only her publ public service, but her sheer toughness. she never let them win. and i respect her resilience.
joining me now is jonathan capehart, opinion writer for the washington post and an msnbc contributor and david brock, founder and ceo of media matters for america. david, has hillary clinton beaten the vast right wing conspiracy once and for all? >> well, yes, i think she has. it's clearly the case that the vast right wing conspiracy was a real thing. you showed the clip from the 1990s. there was a lot trumped up them. what we've seen now is that with hillary clinton leaving the sfat state department, an effort to tarnish the legacy in these last three months. what you have is a vast right wing conspiracy. it ended up being a clown show. so i think she has led them to a point where the charges were just absurd, for example, the idea that she faked her concussion and blood clot. this was being said by serious right wing people.
they were completely embarrassed that it ended up her doctors were kwoeted on the record, she's now wearing glasses for medical reasons. so, yeah, she's been incredibly resill yent and i think she's beaten them back. >> now, jonathan, we've seen them toothless as david said, seems like hillary clinton and president obama might be the ones that did that little dental work on them. >> the thing about the former first lady hillary clinton, former senator hillary clinton and now, as of today, former secretary of state, she's sort of, for better or for worse, she has had this sense of right and wrong vis-a-vis herself. and that's been her guiding star. whebl she wanted to be a first lady who didn't just host teas and did parties at the white house, she wanted to be involved in policy, that made her an instant lightning rod for people
who had traditional views. whej she when she decided to move for a state, people called her a carpet bagger and all sourts of things. she put her nose down and got herself elected, went into the senate, put her nose down, did the hard work and gained the respected of a lot of people who voted to impeach her husband and then to become secretary of state faced the nation around the world chose nl by the man who beat her in a very tough run for president of the yietsd, i saw all of this to say what we have seen in hillary clinton is someone who has been knocked down, beaten up rhetorically and politically but who has always risen back you want to show with dignity. and i think that's what the american people like about her so much. when she's been knocked down, she gets back um. and the american people love a comeback story. >> no, i think, david, that's what i respect about her. i mean, i've had, in my career u
taken a lot of shots. still do. i respect someone that can keep coming back because it shows me they must really deep down believe in what they're doing. and hillary clinton personifies that. when you look at an interview published today, she went right after the right. she says there are some people in politics and in the press who can't be confused by the facts. they just will not live in an evidence-based world. it's a great statement and a true statement. >> sure, well, she faced a hearing last week as we all saw where the republicans were picking up their phony and fake talking points from the likes of fox news. and she gave as good as she got. she corrected the record. there were some blatant lies that were premised in these questions. she came back and set that record strigt. she swatted all of that back.
so that effort to make this benghazi into some kind of a watergate-type of affair, that fell flat. >> she leaves on a high note. 67% of americans have a favorable view of her. and she leaves with the president doing an unprecedented interview with her and he together on 60 minutes and the president clear lif the most popdular political figure in the country today. leads on a very . >> there was no news out of the interview spoken. but when you watched out of that interview, it was all about the body language between hose two and the president and hiss out going secretary of state. two people who i mentioned before and as we all remember, had a very vigorous, heated competitive race for the democratic nomination for president and who a lot of people thought didn't like each other, certainly their staffs
didn't like each other. but when you saw them sitting together, they weren't just sitting sbied by side. they were leaning in to each other. they were comfortable with ooech other. and i think for the president to do with ahillary clinton, to share the stage with her, shows how far those two have come and how far the nation has come. actually, it's a great symbol for the rest of the world to see that two people can run against each other, come together to work together for the benefit of the country. >> and both of them extremely strong. her numbers high, the president's numbers very high. david, you had begun after secretary clinton or former secretary clinton now in the past and you've seem to come around to respecting her? >> absolute ri. as you know, i was involved in some of this in the 1990s . i certainly regretted that and recanted a lot of what i did
back in 1998: but, sure, i wrote a bieg ra fi of hillary clinton back in if 1990s. in the course of writing it, she completely changed my mind by studying the record. and i came away with a rot lot admiration for both bill and hillary clinton. >> thank you for being here tonight david, jonathan, thanks both of you for your time tonight. we'll be right back with the p passing of a legend. new york mayor ed koch. and i'll have some stories to tell you. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro.
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am i doing all right? >> hi, everybody, how am i doing? >> today, like so many new yorkers, i was saddened to learn of the death of his honor mayor ed koch. we had a long and missed relationship dating back to the '70s. throughout his 12 years in office, i was one of his most vociferous critics. my first arrest was leading a sit-in on him about summer jobs for youth in 1978. when our group refused to leave his office, he called the police. it was my first time in handcuffs. he and i talked about it briefly when he came on this show in october of 2011. >> we met in '77 when i led a demonstration at your office, refused to leave you, you were the first one to have me arrested. >> i made you famous. >> you did it to make me famous? >> no question. the koch years were tu moul
chous, a tumultuous time in this city. and mayor koch and i clashed a lot. but over the years, i did grow to respected his authenticity. a rare quality in politics. he said what he meant and he meant what he said. he ev we even allied ourselves on some issues. we traveled around the country on a national campaign to help nonviolent drug o febders get a second chance in live. the man support eed why he came home to the democratic party. >> well, i believe that first they don't care about the country and would rather have as their single priority the destruction of president obama and prevent his reelection. now, they should certainly disagree with him. but first comes the country.
they've given up on that. and that's why i think the american public will give up on them. >> now, when i look at the fact of, mr. mayor, that they supported things like extending unemployment, extending other matters that was in the president's job's bill, now they don't support it only because it's his bill. like don't make him look good at any cost. >> well, mitch mcconnell was very honest. he said my number one priority is to make sure he doesn't get re-elected. he didn't say it, that's what he's doing, even if it prevents good legislation that i would ordinarily support go down the trough. >> over the years, we built a solid, personal relationship. march, 2008, we shared a lighter moment at the swearing in ceremony of new york governor david patterson who we both supported. and he attended my birthday celebration.
he later described that day in 2007, an interview the new york times just released today. >> you up staged him at his own birthday party. >> well, he's right. i was in a church. we're behind the altar and i come out. and i get up and i say to this crowd, moving from left to right, do you miss me? and they roared. with pleasure. and i enjoyed it. >> we rallied. we marched. we did a lot of things. we disagreed and still do with some of what was done. seemed to have a blind spot in the areas of race. but he seemed to p clear in other areas. yes, i had my differences with ed koch, but we were both secure enough to talk through